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Re: Decarding NPC

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Nah, I've played on low rates that've had it too.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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Re: Decarding NPC

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Obviously you don't get it.

1. The "high prices" are due to pinoys(no offense)
that have no idea what they're doing with they're prices.
They are set by them.
It does not matter what happens to anything.
They will still sell Hydra Cards for 5m apiece.
They will still sell +5 Chain Mails for 8m apiece.
They will still sell Santa Poring Cards for 2m apiece.
They will still sell themselves(don't ask) for 3m each time.

2. The ability to re use cards MUCH LESS equipment is NOT supposed to happen.
If that ability is gained, no one will want to sell anything
because everyone will already have what they want for themselves.
Sounds cool on paper, but that's fucked up.
"Hey man I just got this Ghostring Card!
I'mma take out this Marc Card from my
+8 Valkyrie Armor with 3 dex on it and put the Ghostring in it."
You're retarded if you think that situation or anything related is any good.
-You want to use that shiny new piece of equipment?
Get another shiny card for it.
-You want to use that shiny new card?
Get another shiny piece of equipment for it.


3. Anything coming out within the next year and a half are posted on iro future wiki.
I suggest you keep up with it if you're going to complain about "updates".

4. The only thing people accomplish by honestly asking for
anything card remover related is whining and crying.

Get over it while you can.
It's not going to happen here.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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Phaiyte wrote: They will still sell themselves(don't ask) for 3m each time.
HAHA! You can't help but laugh at that one.

I don't mind either system, but decarding something is more of a convenience and it can imbalance the game, primarily the economy. You're not meant to be able to reuse rare things. Once you use it, it's done. If you're able to reuse things then the values for even the most basic items go up. If you had the time to sit there and get something really rare and hard to get in the first place, you probably have time to get another card/equipment. We already have a card deleter, that should be more than enough to satisfy your needs. Prioritize your cards and don't waste them on crappy stuff.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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Phaiyte wrote:Obviously you don't get it.

1. The "high prices" are due to pinoys(no offense)
that have no idea what they're doing with they're prices.
They are set by them.
It does not matter what happens to anything.
They will still sell Hydra Cards for 5m apiece.
They will still sell +5 Chain Mails for 8m apiece.
They will still sell Santa Poring Cards for 2m apiece.
They will still sell themselves(don't ask) for 3m each time.

2. The ability to re use cards MUCH LESS equipment is NOT supposed to happen.
If that ability is gained, no one will want to sell anything
because everyone will already have what they want for themselves.
Sounds cool on paper, but that's fucked up.
"Hey man I just got this Ghostring Card!
I'mma take out this Marc Card from my
+8 Valkyrie Armor with 3 dex on it and put the Ghostring in it."
You're retarded if you think that situation or anything related is any good.
-You want to use that shiny new piece of equipment?
Get another shiny card for it.
-You want to use that shiny new card?
Get another shiny piece of equipment for it.


3. Anything coming out within the next year and a half are posted on iro future wiki.
I suggest you keep up with it if you're going to complain about "updates".

4. The only thing people accomplish by honestly asking for
anything card remover related is whining and crying.

Get over it while you can.
It's not going to happen here.
Anybody who plays RO can understand your sentiments lol.
However, you are of no authority to give him the definite answer. I wish I could bring my WoE friends to laugh at your concept of an economy, but meh, they're busy. So yeah.
One of the arguments I've seen against this is how it would impact the value of MVP cards. This could be avoided by not allowing that NPC to remove MVP cards from weapons. Instead, there could be an additional NPC, with a much higher cost, that only offers you a chance to remove MVP cards, thereby making it a serious risk to be taken. This could also apply to miniboss cards, or not. That's up to the discretion of the GMs/Other Players. This would prevent people from constantly removing MVP cards from their equipment to sell/trade.

In short: NPC to de-card cards from common monsters at the expense of destroying the equip they're in.
l2read.

kthxbai.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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You have to use friends to help you do things?
Man you must be really tough and intelligent.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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However, you are of no authority to give him the definite answer.
DAMN MESSAGE BOARDS WITH THEIR.. postings by the community with varying opinions!
I wish I could bring my WoE friends to laugh at your concept of an economy, but meh, they're busy. So yeah.
How does participating in WoE, to a good or bad degree, make you any better or worse at gauging the economy? You can never touch WoE a day in your life and be a better RO economist than those who hump every castle's flag.

All aside, since we're on the subject (and it does pertain to the OP, so bare with me a moment:)

-The economy is never static. An item's prices are never static. Depending on the quantity available, or the desire for an item, they will sell for higher or lower than they "should." Personal interest and need, time prior to WoE, an abundance of zeny or a tight wallet all make or break whether anything sells.

-We must remember that many of the idiotic merchants don't represent the economy accurately, simply because by persisting, it's proof no one buys their outrageous prices. Those that do sell out at favorable, fair, or cheap prices.. are signed out. Ergo, you don't see the "good" merchants and only see the bad ones, possibly skewing your perspective. Inevitable.

-Even if a price is outright idiotic to you or I, if it persists for a while, people take that as this silly concept called "the correct price," and stick to it because they're mindless. [1] Gloves for 6 million zeny a piece fit this example, my jaw still drops every time I see that and I refuse to ever buy one for that price out of principle. It's hard to break these silly price trends because someone will buy your "correct" item for a cheaper price, then re-vend it for the "normal" price, even if the norm is completely absurd - stretching out the duration of the trend (sometimes forever..)

-AS RACIST as saying "PINOYS ARE THE PROBLEM" is, it's actually true for an unrelated reason. Several of the Filipino guilds know each-other / live in close proximity of each-other at their core guild base (or did), thus their opinions on (x) matter for better or worse have a higher tenancy to be similar than different. It's no different than the fact the core members of CB myself included all came from the same general area in Indiana, and while we disagree (now more than ever) in several respects.. in terms of game-play, we usually would more quickly agree than disagree, whether we were wrong or not. Banding Complex, blame my babble psychology.

-Finally, the kicker: some people wheel and deal. Like me. I'm badass. Some people have this naive notion they can sell Berets from Rachel for 700k a piece. Naivety, being newer to RO or to a server, and looking at bad examples as the staple cause this crap, and it's again difficult to break except by, hopefully, example.

Decarding would escalate problems with the above, because as it is, people're hesitant to sell anything they can use. If they could reuse the same card over and over again on rarer quality cards, and lord help us if they score an MVP card (inevitable it'll happen) - bad times.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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You judge a person's intelligence when they ask their friends opinions? The economy is zeny-based lol.


Nevermind anyway, I'm on hiatus. College shit, and I'm playing that comnig PS3 game.



Goodbye for awhile.

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Re: Decarding NPC

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Bringing your multiple friends to assist you in a battle
you can't win is a prime example of a ghetto mexican.
If you notice the trend in ghetto mexis,
they're pretty unintelligent and believe they
can out do anything with quantity rather than quallity.
It's kind of how ghettos stay the way they are.
Worthless places that are undesirable to live in.

Anyways, saying something like
"OH YEAH WELL I'LL GET MY WOE BUDDIES TO COME HELP ME OUT"
will never help you in any situation.
If anything it makes you look retarded.
Like a new-born child with downs-syndrome.

Don't make yourself look like a new-born child with downs-syndrome.
If you feel the need to call on someone else to help you,
THEN even use a petty excuse like "they're busy",
it's probably better to just not do/say anything at all.
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Re: Decarding NPC

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Back on topic.
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